and, you know, in defense of the secretary of defense, the details are coming in very slowly simply because it's been difficult to get people out of the country. the debriefings have gone slowly, and we can't put people on the ground because of the security situation. so the truth has come out very slowly, even inside our government. >> and, fran, i mean, a lot of people are being critical of the administration. to play devil's advocate here, though, it's one thing for politicians who are not part of the government to say -- or not part of the administration to say, well, look, we should have known this earlier. it's another thing for administration officials to come out in front of an investigation and say, oh, it was a terrorist attack. there was a level of caution that an administration official would have that a congressman would not, who is more critical. >> no, anderson, that's exactly right, and, remember, after the bin laden raid, they came out initially with details that turned out not to be accurate, and they were really criticized for it. so in some ways, that is understandable.